Oh, the pain!!! This hurt so much that it feels like the blaster had also gone right through my heart
Well, this might proof that I’m still salty about all this Anakin discourse that has been going on lately. But honestly? All the Anakin haters can fight me tbh.
I’ve seen many people complain saying that why Anakin didn’t put so much effort into helping Fives as he did with Ahsoka. But let’s check the facts. The Ahsoka thing probably took many days, since she was accused, and during all the time she spent escaping, which gave Anakin enough time to investigate and find the true guilty. Now, with Fives, it probably only took a few hours since he tried to kill Palpatine and Fives gave Kix the coordinates for Anakin to find him. There was no time to investigate, they needed to act quickly or Fives would have been captured by the Coruscant Guard.
When Anakin arrives, he’s only with Rex. He could have taken a clone squadron with them, but he didn’t, just as Fives had asked him. Then again, when Fives asks them to lower their weapons, he gives Rex the order to do it, only trusting Fives word about him being unarmed.
“We’re here to help you, Fives. Just come with us. Let us take you back to the temple” Anakin never intended to take Fives to prison or to whatever place they might have taken him. He wanted to take him to the Jedi temple, where he would have been safer.
When Fives tell them that he was framed, Anakin looks down, like he’s thinking about the whole situation. Then he asked for evidence. Here, we know that what Fives is saying is true, but they don’t, they believe that Fives is a dangerous man because he took out his chip, that’s what they have been told and they probably were certain of it because Fives tried to kill the “innocent” Chancellor. But Anakin says “Let’s get you some help first. Then we can review everything. It’ll be okay, Fives. We’ll sort this out”. Despite not believing in what Fives was saying, Anakin still wanted to help.
The only moment Anakin looses his patience is when Fives tell them that the Chancellor is involved in the plot. “The Chancellor is incapable of what you claim” he says. But let’s remember that Anakin has being manipulated by Palpatine, since he was a kid, into believing he’s a good man and a good friend of his.
Then the Coruscant Guard arrives and this is Anakin’s face when he sees them:
You can barely see it because the focus of the scene is in Fives. But he’s worried he’s scared for Fives. Then again, the scene focuses on Fives, but if you look at Anakin right before Fives tries to take Rex’s blasters, you see Anakin trying to stop him from doing it.
Then just see the gifs above to see how sad he was. And if you want more proof? Look at this:
You can’t convince me that he “didn’t care”
But then some people might say “why didn’t he investigate afterwards?”. He doesn’t because he trusts Palpatine. Palpatine tell them that it was a parasite and that it was the only cause of the “sickness” Fives and Tup had. Then Yoda and Mace say that the situation is over, so what else can we expect Anakin to do? The Jedi council stopped the investigation because Palpatine gave them the “solution”. There’s nothing else to do.
If we’re going to hate somebody, let’s hate Palpatine.
Anyway… after saying this, I’ll go back to keep crying about Fives because this scene hurt me too much.
@guineapigzwei yes they should have, but I think they didn’t bc, first, the plot was already established, order 66 had to happen. Second, the Jedi arrogance stop them from seeing the darkness behind all the situation. And third, the blind trust the Jedi order had in the Chancellor. They stopped investigating because Palpatine gave them the “solution” to the problem.
They were basically told “the cause was a parasite, but you don’t have to worry anymore because we’ve developed a vaccine for other clones so this won’t happen again” and they believed it. The Jedi needed the clone army to win the war and now that they know that the problem is “solved”, then why they should worry?
And the Jedi had more than one opportunity to stop order 66 from happening. I mean, Kix managed to discover the plot and he was just a one man! Imagine what the Jedi could have done if they had believed in Fives’ words!
Oh, the pain!!! This hurt so much that it feels like the blaster had also gone right through my heart
Well, this might proof that I’m still salty about all this Anakin discourse that has been going on lately. But honestly? All the Anakin haters can fight me tbh.
I’ve seen many people complain saying that why Anakin didn’t put so much effort into helping Fives as he did with Ahsoka. But let’s check the facts. The Ahsoka thing probably took many days, since she was accused, and during all the time she spent escaping, which gave Anakin enough time to investigate and find the true guilty. Now, with Fives, it probably only took a few hours since he tried to kill Palpatine and Fives gave Kix the coordinates for Anakin to find him. There was no time to investigate, they needed to act quickly or Fives would have been captured by the Coruscant Guard.
When Anakin arrives, he’s only with Rex. He could have taken a clone squadron with them, but he didn’t, just as Fives had asked him. Then again, when Fives asks them to lower their weapons, he gives Rex the order to do it, only trusting Fives word about him being unarmed.
“We’re here to help you, Fives. Just come with us. Let us take you back to the temple” Anakin never intended to take Fives to prison or to whatever place they might have taken him. He wanted to take him to the Jedi temple, where he would have been safer.
When Fives tell them that he was framed, Anakin looks down, like he’s thinking about the whole situation. Then he asked for evidence. Here, we know that what Fives is saying is true, but they don’t, they believe that Fives is a dangerous man because he took out his chip, that’s what they have been told and they probably were certain of it because Fives tried to kill the “innocent” Chancellor. But Anakin says “Let’s get you some help first. Then we can review everything. It’ll be okay, Fives. We’ll sort this out”. Despite not believing in what Fives was saying, Anakin still wanted to help.
The only moment Anakin looses his patience is when Fives tell them that the Chancellor is involved in the plot. “The Chancellor is incapable of what you claim” he says. But let’s remember that Anakin has being manipulated by Palpatine, since he was a kid, into believing he’s a good man and a good friend of his.
Then the Coruscant Guard arrives and this is Anakin’s face when he sees them:
You can barely see it because the focus of the scene is in Fives. But he’s worried he’s scared for Fives. Then again, the scene focuses on Fives, but if you look at Anakin right before Fives tries to take Rex’s blasters, you see Anakin trying to stop him from doing it.
Then just see the gifs above to see how sad he was. And if you want more proof? Look at this:
You can’t convince me that he “didn’t care”
But then some people might say “why didn’t he investigate afterwards?”. He doesn’t because he trusts Palpatine. Palpatine tell them that it was a parasite and that it was the only cause of the “sickness” Fives and Tup had. Then Yoda and Mace say that the situation is over, so what else can we expect Anakin to do? The Jedi council stopped the investigation because Palpatine gave them the “solution”. There’s nothing else to do.
If we’re going to hate somebody, let’s hate Palpatine.
Anyway… after saying this, I’ll go back to keep crying about Fives because this scene hurt me too much.
“[Anakin] weighed Padmé’s life against the Jedi Order. It was no contest”. Matthew Stover’s Revenge of the Sith
Vader’s thoughts: Space Cult that constantly uses me as a sharp weapon but devalues and demonizes my humanity? Doesn’t trust me with anything? Tells me to rejoice at my wife’s death? Versus Sith master that has been an understanding mentor and offers a way to save my lovely wife? No contest at all.
Don’t forget that Anakin did asked for help from the Jedi, when he went to talk to Yoda and he basically got a “lol, just let that person die, there’s nothing you can do, stop being a bitch about it” and then Palpatine appears and tell him “Hey! There’s this thing that the Jedi don’t want you to know and it will help you save the ones you love, even save them from dying”
Anakin didn’t want power for him. He only wanted to save Padme and his baby
Hey! Isn’t
interesting how Anakin’s flaws are exacerbated and Obi-wan’s brushed over? Both
men were flawed. both were capable of arrogance, disrespect and coldness, but
only Anakin is considered “bad” because of it. I mean, Obi-wan spent an entire
movie looking down on Anakin and Jar Jar but another character mentions Anakin
is arrogant and suddenly that’s all Anakin is. but I digress…
One of the
most heartbreaking things about Anakin’s childhood at the Jedi Temple was his
inability to fit in. the Jedi’s inability to help him to find a home is something
I have a hard time forgiving and understanding. How did they justified it to
themselves? Didn’t them realize that alienating a boy goes against everything
the Jedi stand for? Community, compassion, non-judgment, etc.
More importantly,
how does it affects Anakin and how Obi-wan deals with it?
As much as criticize
Jude Watson for creating Gary Stu, I have to admit she really knows how to hit
me right in the feels. All the quotes are from the book Jedi Apprentice Special Edition: Deceptions by Jude Watson. So let me give credit where credit is due by sharing
this with you all:
They had been heading back from an intense physical
workout when Obi-Wan had spied the students from Anakin’s year heading to the
lake. He had seen the longing in
Anakin’s eyes as the students dived into the cool water.
“Go ahead,” Obi-Wan had told him.
“Take some time off.”
Anakin
had looked at him uncertainly, but Obi-Wan
shooed him off. It puzzled and worried
Obi-Wan how much time his Padawan spent alone. Anakin had told him that
he’d had good friends on Tatooine, especially a human boy named Kitster. He’d
been at the Temple for three years now,
but he hadn’t made one close friend, although he was well liked and
certainly got along with the other kids.
Obi-wan needs to Anakin for a debrief session with Yoda. Here remember the last
time he had saw Anakin and immediately assumes Anakin is playing with the padawans
at the lake. Obi-wan recognizes the longing in Anakin’s eyes and yet fails to
fully understand why Anakin was hesitant. Anakin’s longing is not only for the water.
Anakin longs for acceptance and friendship.
Obi-Wan had tried to talk to him about it, but the boy would just shut down. His eyes
would turn opaque and the corners of his mouth would straighten into a thin
line. He would seem very far away. Obi-Wan did not know how to reach him at
such times, but they were infrequent and passed as quickly as a rain shower.
Dissociation? At the age of 12, Anakin has been through
enough trauma and itwould fit the C-PTSD diagnosis, since it’s a psychological disorder associated with “repetitive, prolonged trauma involving harm or abandonment by a caregiver or
other interpersonal relationships with an uneven power dynamic.” Some of the
symptoms beings attachment issues (lack of trust, social isolation,
etc.), poor emotional regulation and dissociation.
When they’d met, Anakin had been a warm-hearted
nine-year-old boy with an open nature. He was twelve and a half now, and the
years had changed him. He had grown to be a boy who hid his heart.
I’m not crying. You’re crying!
[Obi-Wan] couldn’t resist a moment to see if Anakin
was enjoying himself with the others. He scanned the happy, splashing group
with the smile still on his face. It slowly faded as he realized that Anakin
wasn’t there. With a sigh, Obi-Wan turned away. He hurried to the nearest
turbolift. He knew where Anakin was. The
boy sometimes retreated to his own quarters.
Again with
the social isolation.
“I thought you wanted to swim,” Obi-Wan
said.
That shuttered look came over Anakin’s face.
“I hadwork to do,” he muttered.
Obi-Wan crouched by him. “This isn’t work,
Anakin. It’s a hobby. And if you are
using it to keep distance between you and your fellow students, it’s not a
helpful one.”
Anakin looked up, his bright eyes keen again. “But I’m making
things, Master! Look, I’ve almost got this astromech ready for service.”
“Mechanical ability is a valuable skill,” Obi-Wan said.
“That is not what I meant, and you know it.”
“They
don’t want me,” Anakin said flatly. He walked over and slung the legs of
the protocol droid under one arm. “I’m not like them.”
Obi-Wan couldn’t argue. Anakin was unique. There was no question about
that. He was an exceptional student, much more in tune with the Force than
others his age. He had come late to the Temple. It wasn’t that the other students disliked him,
they just didn’t know what to make of him.
Anakin
knows he’s not truly accepted, so why bother? And this is why I have a hard
time defending the Jedi’s treatment of Anakin. we are talking about a 12 years
old child with a traumatic past. As their teachers, legal guardians and family
they had the duty to do right by him. But instead of helping this child, these
wise masters sat in their comfortable chairs criticizing him constantly and not
doing anything about it. People try to excuse the Jedi behavior here by saying
they didn’t believe “in therapy” and such but you know what? You don’t need to
believe in therapy to be a decent human being and do right by a child.
The jedi
had a hive mentality. If the council decided Anakin was like everyone else, the
rest would follow. They were not known for being indivual thinkers (the will of
the Council is the will of the Force) anyway. If masters like Ki-adi-mundi were
wary of Anakin, why wouldn’t the children be too?
Even if a
mental health professional was beyond them, instead of marking hin as different
(as if that was necessarily a bad thing) they should had reinforced the idea
that every jedi was worth the same and that no judgment was a allowed. In the
end of the day, it was the little things that would have made the difference. Look
how beneficial Ahsoka was to his health, imagine if he that the entire Jedi
Temple supporting him.
When did it happen? Obi-Wan wondered again. Why did it happen? Was it the loss of his
mother, followed so closely by the death of Qui-Gon? Obi-Wan could not replace
those people in Anakin’s heart, nor did he wish to. He had hoped
that with Jedi training and their own relationship, Anakin would come to find
peace. He had not.
And here is
where Obi-wan fails. As much as he cares about Anakin he completely fails to
see the bigger picture. he’s aware of Anakin’s struggles and he wants to help
more than anything. But he also lays it all on Anakin. in his mind, Anakin is
the one that needs to change not the Jedi. The solution to Anakin’s problems is
to become a Jedi like everyone else. Obi-wan never wonder if the Jedi are wrong
in their treatment of Anakin, he disagree with their opinions but sides against them.
Barely two weeks ago, Yoda and Mace Windu had expressed doubts that
Anakin was ready for a mission. Anakin lacked discipline, they said.
Obi-Wan disagreed. It wasn’t so much a lack of discipline that caused
Anakin to break rules and send his droids scurrying over
the Temple corridors. It was partially boredom, he thought. No matter what
he threw at Anakin, the boy mastered it. He needed more challenges.
Where Yoda and Mace Windu saw a lack of discipline, Obi-Wan saw an
emotional restlessness that could not be cured by hard study or physical
trials.
Obi-wan
believes they are wrong but instead of trying to change the behavior of the
Council, he tries to change Anakin. And that’s their tragedy. Anakin was never
able to fully open up to Obi-wan because he probably sensed that Obi-wan would
side with the Council. And years later, he did. In Mustafar, while every cell
in his body was telling him not to harm Anakin, he still did it because the
Council (Yoda) told him to and the will of the Council is the will of the
Force. Which also makes Obi-wan a victim, because by following the will of the
Council (as he was indoctrinated to do) he destroyed any change he had of
living (and dying) in peace.
He was
rightfully bitter about it. He was told he was the Chosen One but one bother to
help him figure what that meant or how to properly control his power
The Jedi Council didn’t want me, either. Being
the Chosen One didn’t count for anything. Master Yoda wouldn’t train me, or
Windu. Every member of the Jedi Council
had had something more pressing to do than help him work out what this
terrible, galaxy-changing power of his meant, and how he should live in its
shadow. He still wasn’t sure. Karen Traviss’s The Clone Wars
He was the Chosen One, they told him. He was
supposed to bring balance to the Force. Anakin
thought that some little extra support might go with being the Chosen One, a
helping hand or at least some understanding from the Jedi Council, but instead
he was passed around like an unwelcome burden, ending up with Qui-Gon Jinn and
then Kenobi because nobody else would have him. His chosen status meant
less than nothing; it felt more like a stigma. And they wondered why he was
difficult at times. Maybe they didn’t want balance, whatever that was. Maybe
nobody liked a Jedi who was that different. He felt like an embarrassment to
them. I do everything you ask of me. I try so hard. When is it going to be
enough? When are you going to say, “Okay, Anakin Skywalker, you’re good
enough”? Karen Traviss’s The Clone Wars
How did he find out? Did the council tell him?
Yes, in TPM
when the Council is discussing his fate as he wasn’t even in the room:
Ki-Adi-Mundi: The Force is strong with him. Qui-Gon Jinn: He’s to be trained, then. Mace Windu: No. He will not be trained. Qui-Gon Jinn: No?! Mace Windu: He is too old. Qui-Gon Jinn: He is the Chosen One! You must see it!
Did he and Obi Wan talk about it?
Sometimes.
“You would forgo your destiny for
Padme?”Anakin’s brows bettled in anger. “I
never claimed to be the Chosen One. That was Qui-Gon. Even the Council
doesn’t believe it anymore, so why should you?””Because I think you believe
it,” Obi-Wan said calmly. “I think you
know in your heart that you’re meant for something extraordinary.”“And you,
Master. What does your heart tell you you’re meant for?”“Infinite sadness,”
Obi-Wan said, even while smiling. James Luceno’s Labyrinth of Evil
“Sometimes I
don’t want to be the Chosen One,” Anakin said.
The words broke free. They felt like stones in his mouth. “That’s not
surprising,” Obi-Wan said. “Many gifts can be burdens.”
“The Force is so strong. I can feel it so much. I feel so much. I don’t
want to feel so much!” Anakin hardly recognized his voice, choked and aching.
Obi-Wan looked startled at his vehemence. “Why am I chosen? Why is it me? Can’t I refuse it? Can’t you let me
refuse it? Can’t you take it away?” Jude Watson’s The Moment of Truth.
Did he
spend time wondering what was in store for him, in order to fullfill the
prophecy, what he was supposed to do? Or, over time, he just got used to not
think too much about the whole thing?
He thought
about what it meant, he was conscious of his enormous potential and
extraordinary skill but he ddin’t have a plan. He was conflicted. He was told
he was the chosen one and that’s it. No knew what that really meant or how
should he bring balance to the Force. No one really helped him so he carried
that burden alone. I think he tried not avoid thinking about it whenever
possible.
As he reached the Council chamber door, Mace
Windu’s voice made him pause. “The Force is with him, Anakin. You are wrong to
be afraid.” Yeah, yeah. Wrong to be afraid, wrong to be worried, wrong to care
two bantha pats what happened to Obi-Wan. Everything
I do is wrong. But you still expect me to save you, don’t you? Karen Miller’s
Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Wild Space
The
prophecy wasn’t something that was constantly guide. If anything, I think the
Council was more interested in that than Anakin. They saw him as weapon, only
important when they needed to use him:
We have seen that young Skywalker has the power
to battle a Sith Lord alone, if need be; he has proven that with Dooku. If he is indeed the chosen one, we must
keep him in play against the Sith—keep him in a position to fulfill his
destiny.” “And even if the prophecy has been misread,” Agen Kolar added,
“Anakin is the one Jedi we can best hope would survive an encounter with a Sith
Lord. So let us also use him to help us
set our trap. Matthew
Stover’s revenge of the Sith
Anakin flung an arm back toward the Council Tower. “They’re the ones who call me the chosen one! Chosen for what? To be a dupe in some slimy political game?”Matthew Stover’s Revenge of the Sith
Did Obi Wan believe Anakin was the Chosen One?
Yes. As
their friendship developed Obi-wan believed more and more in Anakin’s status as
the chosen one. However, the moment Anakin became Vader he stopped and decided
he was wrong the whole time and Luke was the real chosen one. But after he
watch Anakin kill Palpatine he realized Anakin was the only real chosen one 🙂
What if Anakin should be
killed? Could he even be killed? As the Chosen One, was he destined to fulfill
both the title and the prophecy? Was he immune to real harm, or – as someone
born to restore balance to the Force – did he require defenders to guide him to
that destiny? Was it Obi-Wan’s duty – more, the duty of all the Jedi
– to see to it that he survived at all costs? Matthew
Stover’s revenge of the Sith
Obi-Wan
sensed confusion and remorse in Anakin’s psyche, then Anakin answered,
“But Master…why me?” “Because you ended the horror,
Anakin,” Obi-Wan said. “Because you fulfilled the prophecy. Because you were…and are..the Chosen
One.” Ryder Windham’s he Life and
Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi
People who
call Anakin entitled or privileged are the best lol They are so biased
against Anakin what happened in the movies don’t even matter. It’s also funny
because the same people usually worship characters who were written as privileged
and entitled
Anakin is not perfect, not even close, privileged and entitled are two things we cannot say about him (at least not before Vader).
I feel like he’s like one of those old veteran generals that has quite a lot of victories up his sleeve, but gets passed up on everything besides the next mission/battle/campaign. He feels like he should get something out of this other than yet another close encounter with death. In history, we see a lot of these generals eventually lose their cool and end up rebelling against their bosses.
Even if
Anakin demanding a position he so clearly deserved had been about nothing but
entitlement, it still wouldn’t be enough to label him “entitled”. Everyone shows
these behaviors – anger, resentment, entitlement, selfishness, arrogance, etc –
but we don’t call someone entitled or arrogant because ONCE they acted this
way. A person who *acts* arrogantly once is difference from a person who *is* arrogant.
Same thing with entitlement.
If Anakin
had consistently demanded things because he believed he deserved them or
because he believed he was better than everyone else, then yes, we could call
him entitled. But that’s not Anakin. At least, that’s not the Anakin portrayed
on screen (movie, tv shows and the EU).
Anakin is
born a slave. He spends his childhood working for his master. All his free time
is devoted to helping his mother, his friends and creating a scanner to free
himself and other slaves. He runs into wealthy strangers and *he* buys them
food. Then he takes them home and offers the little he has and risks his life
for them without ever asking anything in return.
He is
rejected by the people he admired most and his only concern is “I don’t want to be a problem”. He
saves a planet and still doesn’t ask for anything in return, not even clean
clothes. the people that had rejected him NOW want him back and he goes with
them because he is 9 years old and being a Jedi or being a slave is not really
a choice.
He spends
the next ten years of his life being frequently criticized for “feeling too
much”, for wanting to help people and getting too involved. He has no real
friends and all the people he supposed to admire don’t like nor trust him.
Still, he obeys them because he respects their authority.
He dreams
his mother is dying and listens when he’s told to ignore it. When it becomes
too much he goes to see her but he’s too late and she dies his arms.
Instead of feeling angry at the Jedi for denying him the change of saving her,
he blames himself and immediately goes to save Obi-wan – the man who kept him
from visiting his mother sooner – without any regard for his own safety. When
he finds him, he is mocked for being caught and he just takes it, never trying
to defend himself.
He loses an
arm and has a change to have a family life with the women he loves but decided
to remain a Jedi because he wants to help them to save the galaxy and end the
war. The war lasts 3 years. During that time he’s beaten, kidnapped, electrocuted,
assaulted, enslaved, manipulated, betrayed, used and tortured. He never even
thinks about quitting. He works hard and becomes a war hero. Saving more people
than any other general and training some of the best soldiers the galaxy had
ever seen.
He kills the
Sith Lord that has been terrorizing the galaxy, saves the Chancellor and rescue
a member of the Jedi Council in one go. He never demands a promotion. When they
finally offer him one, he realizes they are only doing so to further use him
for their own goals. Yeah, he’s angry.
He went through to so much only to end in the exact place he started. At the
center of the Jedi Council’s chambers being scolded for feeling too much by
these people who don’t trust him and not getting what the needs.
Still, he doe what he is told. He keeps his mouth shut and obeys. He uncovers another Sith Lord, goes running to warn his masters and is told “If what you’ve told me is true you will have gained my trust.”. Once again, he keeps his mouth shut and obeys.
Things go horribly wrong after that, i know, but from the moment he is introduced to the moment he becomes Vader, Anakin was not an entitled person.
No, entitlement isn’t the word for it. More like a sense of hopelessness? Of unfairness? Of despair and just needing to do something about it?
Yes,
despair and anger at the unfairness of the situation would fit the bill much
better. However, unfairness and despair are not as simple as entitlement. Tbh, I’m
not sure people understand entitlement and immaturity are two very different
things. But I guess, “whiny” doesn’t sound as cool anymore so…
I agree with Padawanlost on that one in 100%. Anakin may act sometimes arrogant or/and immature (but then again, who didn’t at such age?) but he is by no means
entitled. If anything, the rank of general and coming with that responsibilities, the title of Hero Without Fear, the title of Chosen One, all those are additional burdens. Burdens that make Anakin feel he need work harder to prove he is worth of those. Work harder to not disappoint others and their (sometimes unreal) expectations,
even at the expense of his own health.
Palpatine may praise in public his effort in war, but Skywalker does not get any special treatment; military is not there to fulfill all his whims because he is Jedi or successful general. Jedi may call him a Chosen One yet they constantly control, criticize, manipulate or even lie to him. And always make him feel that somehow he is to blame for their behaviour. Hell, looking how often Anakin thinks he should be better Jedi and/or leader (the earliest clash with Ahsoka) or is not good enough or he behaved
in an inappropriate way
(like in TCW: Gambit book when he had clash with commander
Jefris) and more often than not he apologize for stuff
never gave me the impression that Anakin believed he is deserving
of privileges or special treatment from either Palpatine, Jedi Council or military. If anything, he can only hopes he is good enough to earn their respect – and in case of Jedi Council, also their trust.That doesn’t sound as someone having that much entitlement to me.
All sorts
of music. They had rock, classical, opera, etc. For the most part, they didn’t
use our words to describe their own genres (so you won’t find music being
described as pop rock, alternative, country, etc.).
The wookieepedia has a
list ot known music genres
(but some are missing). If you want a more complete analysis, the old Star Wars
website has this article
Bith DJ Vennido T’all sampled lines of Separatist leader Alto Stratus’ fiery speeches (“Your planet—your home—is drowned in blood! For three thousand years we were loyal to the Republic!” and “We will send the Jedi home in caskets!”) in his driving, overtly anti-Republic tracks.
[…] The establishment of the Galactic Empire following the end of the Clone
Wars brought with it an age of draconian censure to the music of the
galaxy. The Imperial Board of Culture was founded, whose purpose was to
foment pro-Imperial thought and limit or outright ban any message
contrary to the New Order in popular entertainment. The board reviewed
all holo-films, novels, and sound slugs prior to their uploading to the
galactic distribution nets, and issued them one of three ratings.
Hey! This
timeline I recently posted didn’t mention events so I’m not sure what you mean.
but I’m assuming you are talking about incomplete information, not a flaw
(please, correct me if I’m wrong). Not every detail has been explored so the EU
is filled with these gaps, doesn’t make it a flaw, though 🙂 I checked and here
is what I could put together:
Yes, same
here. Luke’s Jedi Order is everything the PT!Order wasn’t. Luke was a healthy
and balanced individual and he created a healthy and balanced organization.
He
understood the power of love, friendship, family, loyalty, etc. So he built an
Order focused on these ideals. It also makes sense thematically; Luke outgrew
his teachers so it makes sense for his Order to be better than theirs. Instead of
making their old mistakes again and again (murder, scheming, politics, etc),
Luke created something new, something better proving his way – the truly
compassionate and honest way – was the better one.
“The evolution of sentience reflects the
constant movement between those two poles. Evil—the dark side—won’t be
eradicated until it has been discarded as an option for acquiring power,
subjugating would-be opponents, or offsetting feelings of anger, envy, or
exclusion. Where victims of injustice
exist, the dark side finds initiates. That is the cycle our actions are
meant to forestall, and in this battle the Force is both our ally and our
guardian. We serve it best by listening to its will, and serving the good with
our every action—by personifying the Force. But I’m no longer convinced that we’re meant to police the galaxy. For
one thing, we’re too few in number. That was made evident early in the war, and
it’s likely to hold true for whatever conflicts erupt in the coming years. The
Jedi began as a meditative order. Our forebears believed that they could
balance light and dark by remaining always in the Force, and thereby perfecting
themselves. Gradually, however, as the
Supreme Chancellors appealed to the Order time and again for advice in
resolving disputes, the Jedi became adjuncts of the Old Republic, then marshals
and warriors, taking it upon themselves to uphold the peace, and little by
little being drawn away from the Force and into the mundane. I don’t propose that we place ourselves in
seclusion and pass our days meditating on the Force—though that might be the
path for some of us. But I do advocate attuning ourselves to the longer view,
and reaching out to others who seek to serve the Force.The genetic makeup of each and every one of
us augments our ability to tap the Force, but everyone, regardless of his or
her genetics, has the potential to use the Force to one degree or another.
Perhaps not to move rocks and take giant strides; but in some sense those
physical powers are little more than surface effects. The real powers are more
subtle, for they involve adhering to the true path, avoiding the temptation to
dominate, sacrificing oneself for those who have less, and living impeccably,
by recognizing that the Force doesn’t flow from us but through us, ever on the
move. Like our damaged galaxy, the new Jedi order will require generations to
define itself. [James Luceno. The Unifying Force]
Luke
Skywalker is awesome. He created an Order that allowed love (all types of
love), that didn’t control knowledge, that fostered creativity, humility,
compassion, independence and the sense of personal responsibility in all it’s
students. He didn’t took babies from their parents. He recognized the necessity for accountability and that the Force
didn’t belong to the Jedi Order.
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