See!!! He did care! He might have not know how to act correctly in that situation, but he DID care!
I’m not sure about this, but I think that his body language, apart from showing sadness, also show guilt. Like he’s thinking that he could have done something else, and is blaming himself for not doing it.
And I say it again, Anakin is not good at showing his emotions, but HE DOES CARE. He looks defeated, sad, guilty, it seems like he’s not really paying attention to what the others are saying. He looks defeated, sad, guilty.
It’s a small scene, but this shows what many people here have been denying. Anakin did suffered with Fives death. And remember that Jedi are not supposed to show emotion, yet here Anakin does, even though he’s in middle of other Jedi.
And not only that, but you can also see the sadness is Shaak Ti’s eyes.
(Related to thispost by padawanlost. I’m putting it separately because the best points were already made in that thread and I’m just compiling things here and I’m shy.)
A while ago I read some people’s analysis on how Anakin (and Ahsoka and Obi-Wan too, apparently) did not care about clone lives based on The Clone Wars series.
Okay, fine, people can have opinions. Let’s look at the details.
They accuse that Anakin:
risked clone lives during Malevolence run just to hog all glory.
risked clone lives just to get R2 back. (okay this one got me)
(with Ahsoka) threw Rex off the wall in Second Geonosis.
(with Obi-Wan) did not save that one clone who lost his grip and fell from the cliff in Citadel arc.
did not check if Echo was really dead or show any sad emotions for it.
(with Obi-Wan) never gives dead clones their due while taking time for an impromptu funeral for Jedi Master Piel in Citadel arc. (because clearly they are the only ones with that problem)
did not do for Fives in Order 66 arc as much as he did for Ahsoka.
All right, fine. I could refute at least half of the above list, but that might get subjective real fast.
Still, probably don’t forget the times Anakin:
wanted to help Rex in Teth battle on the risk of failing the mission.
staged a rescue mission after being told not to in Malevolence arc because “lives are at stake.”
helped a weakened Wolffe (I think that was Wolffe?) get out of the broken pod (and get the med droid to tend to them)
changed courses in Malevolence run when someone gave a better option.
from the same episode, “I also can’t take the lives I lost lightly.”
got himself blown up after getting everyone (including clones who are not under his command) to safety in Jedi Crash.
charged ahead solo to take out the defoliator on his own despite above injuries.
tells Rex to stand down and not risk unnecessary conflict with the Talz in Tresspass.
paused mid battle to save Denal from falling to his death. (and then letting him down gently while running after Ahsoka)
was visibly relieved to see Red Eye (apparently) okay in Voyage of Temptation.
yelled “Get behind me!” when facing spider assassin droids because he’s better equipped than the clones to handle them.
immediately went to help Rex and Cody from above mentioned spider droids.
(with Ahsoka) is shown trying to help injured clones after a bomb unexpectedly blew up nearby on Zygerria arc.
on multiple occasions is shown to be the last one boarding the evacuating gunship.
showed visible sadness when Commander Ponds was executed by Boba’s gang.
gets comatose Tup out of the Separatist clutches in Order 66 arc.
The Bad Batch arc is about him getting Echo back.
Bonus from the movie: Anakin wanted to help the clone pilots during the battle over Coruscant in RotS, even though the mission is to rescue the Chancellor.
So I don’t know, the evidence *clearly* stacks against him. /sarcasm
And sure Jedi such as Mace Windu and Yoda *clearly* cared more than our main trio because of That One Time Yoda gave clones pep talk and That One Time Mace helped his men during his limelight episode. /double sarcasm
TCW isn’t entirely consistent with their characterizations, especially if it involves Rule of Funny or Rule of Cool. (Geonosis one is definitely a case of Rule of Funny in my opinion) In fact, all visual media does that now and then. Still, there is an overall trend on how clones are treated by Jedi.
For the record, I do not think Mace and Yoda ever intentionally ‘not care’ or abuse clones. I do not believe any Jedi (aside from those like Krell) would do that. But the problem is that we see more (arguably) conflicting evidence for Anakin, Ahsoka, Obi-Wan and not for Mace and Yoda, because we see Anakin, Ahsoka, Obi-Wan more. There isn’t enough *statistical power* to make a good comparison between two groups.
Also for those who accuse of Ahsoka not hesitating to kill clones who were brainwashed by Geonosis bug to kill her and Barriss… Yoda didn’t bat an eye before beheading clones that crept up to him during Order 66 either but no one talks about that for some reason.
Oh, yeah,
everything is Anakin’s fault lol I’ve seen people blame him for the formation
of the GAR, accusing him of beating Padmé for years and all sort of crimes. But, as you said,
there are no details… because no
there are no
facts supporting these claims. It’s usually just people who don’t like Anakin
grasping at straws.
Anakin wasn’t
perfect, he definitely had a hand on the enslavement of clones but to say he
didn’t care at all , that he was intentionally cruel to them or that he was worse
than the rest of the Jedi Order is ridiculous. There’s no evidence supporting
such claims. What we do have is a ton of comic, book, movie and shows moments
where Anakin is seen clearly worrying about his men and saddened by his
inability to do more for them. we also have only a handful of moments where any
other Jedi shows deep concern over the death of clones. If Anakin is so
terrible, where is the evidence? Why is there no book quote, movie/tv scene or
comic panel where Anakin wittingly mistreats clones?
There’s a
list of evidence that shows Anakin’s concern for his men and his men’s loyalty and respect
for Anakin’s command. There’s no evidence supporting the opposite, only interpretations.
And interpretations can be screwy because we are all biased. That’s why I like to
show where I got the information I’m discussing. I want people to know what
when I say “Anakin cared for the clones”, I’m not making stuff up to defend a
character I love. I’m merely stating a fact.
[Anakin]
looked at Ahsoka. “Fine. You can go. But I want to be kept informed of
Torrent Company’s status. Don’t make me chase you for updates, is that clear?”
She managed to smile. “Yes, Master. Thank you.” “And Ahsoka …” He felt his
heart thud. “Tell Rex—tell all of them—that anything less than a full recovery
is unacceptable. Tell Rex I—” He had to stop. Obi-Wan was in earshot, and they
were not supposed to care so much. [Karen Miller’s Star Wars: Clone
Wars Gambit: Stealth]
obi wan: you were the chosen one! it was said that you would destroy the sith, not join them. you were to bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness.
Yeah, Anakin wouldn’t report such relationship. The Jedi Trial is one more example that Skywalker is not willing to tell anyone about other people secret affair:
No, he
wouldn’t tell. Anakin, above all else, was loyal. He’d consider such action a terrible
betrayal.
“For Anakin,” Obi-Wan said at length, “there is nothing more important than
friendship. He is the most loyal man I have ever met—loyal beyond reason, in
fact. Despite all I have tried to teach him about the sacrifices that are
the heart of being a Jedi, he—he will never, I think, truly understand.” [Matthew
Stover. Revenge of the Sith]
After a moment, Halcyon continued. “You know the reason we Jedi aren’t supposed to have any emotional connections with other people, don’t you?” Anakin didn’t answer: the question was rhetorical. “It’s because emotions cloud a Jedi’s judgment, make it difficult for him to see his duty, to do the hard and difficult things he’s sworn to do. Well, I failed the test.”
Nejaa Halcyon told Anakin about his wife and son.
At first Anakin couldn’t speak, could only gape mutely at the man who had become a mentor. Halcyon chuckled and tapped Anakin under the jaw.
“Dropped so fast I thought you’d dislocated it,” he said. He sighed. “So there it is. You’re the only one who knows. Are you going to tell the Jedi Council when we get back?”
Anakin didn’t know what to say. “No,” he croaked, trying to control his voice. “I suspect Yoda already knows, or guesses. Not much gets by him. ” Then guilt and honesty overcame him. “Besides, if I report you, you can retaliate by reporting me,” he said all in a rush. And then he told Halcyon about his marriage to Padme.
It was Nejaa Halcyon’s turn to gape. When he could talk again he said, “Married? You?” He shook his head wonderingly. “So you married her when you went to Naboo together, didn’t you?” he said slowly. “And even Obi-Wan doesn’t know?”
Anakin reddened as the shame of his lie rose up from its hiding place deep in his heart. “It has been… difficult,” he admitted. “Obi-Wan is my Master-and my friend. I hate lying to him!”
Halcyon just nodded. “I know, I know. We have gone against everything we have ever been taught-against what it means to be a Jedi…” His voice trailed off.
“But it doesn’t feel wrong!” Anakin burst out. “I mean-the dishonesty, yes, but not the love! Not the caring! I feel no less a Jedi for my love of Padme!”
Anakin is loyal and honest man by nature. Reporting anyone for loving is out of question, because A) he broke the rule himself, B) don’t believe love is wrong nor C) that love makes someone less Jedi. Add to that, clone troopers are like one of few people Anakin really care for, so reporting – thus putting a trooper in danger – is not likely thing.
I think Anakin might want to make sure the clone trooper in question,
, especially of low rank, give consent to such affair since all Jedi outrank clones. The rank of general (or even commander, in case of padawans) is a big thing and Jedi may even
unconsciously abuse the power of their rank. Anakin may want to check the matter just to make sure the clone trooper is not forced into anything. Yeah. I think in such scenerio, Skywalker would be more worry about clone trooper’s well being than Jedi feeling on the matter. Beside that, what people do in their own free time is not his busines.
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