Not immediately
(at least not to himself). Obi-wan was too busy killing Grievous, surviving
Order 66 and escaping Utapau to meditate on what was happening, why and whose
fault it was.
Obi-Wan
knew that signal. Every Jedi did. It was the recall code. It was being
broadcast on every channel by every HoloNet repeater. It was supposed to mean
that the war was over. It was supposed to mean that the Council had ordered all
Jedi to return to the Temple immediately. Obi-Wan
suspected it actually meant what had happened on Utapau was far from an
isolated incident. [Matthew Stover. Revenge of the Sith]
No. The
Force has no conscience, it just is. It’s part of nature, not some omnipotent and
omniscient entity. The “will of the Force” is something the Jedi (and most
force-sensitives groups) came up to explain their relationship with the Force.
If something happened that had no logical explanation they knew of, it was the
will of the Force, if they needed justify their actions it was the will of the
force, etc.
Experimenting
with the Force, in most cases, is considered wrong because the Jedi said so. Many groups deal
with the Force their own way, the ones the Jedi Order deems tolerable are allow
to keep existing. The ones they consider wrong are destroyed (the Sith). But,
to be fair, the Sith used the Force for some pretty nasty things and the Force,
being part of nature of the galaxy, was more than just something to
experimented on indiscriminately. Too much meddling could lead to the entire
galaxy to dangerous places.
And then
the Jedi declared that to be born with Force powers was not a gift or a curse.
They insisted it was a calling. They
proclaimed the Force should never be used for selfish purposes, that all
Force-sensitive beings were obligated to use their powers for the benefit of
others. Many Force users joined the Jedi Order, but the Jedi were not
satisfied with their numbers. They
sought out the so-called wizards and demons, and gave them three options. Join
the Jedi, cease using Force powers, or die. [Darh Maul in Ryder Windham’s
The wrath of Darth Maul]
The Jedi
Order politicized the Force to keep their control over the galaxy. They had a
Force monopoly going on. They mixed politics with religion and things slowly
got mixed up. it got to a point they no longer could separate their political
goals from their religious ones. The will of the Senate/Council became the will
of the Force. Something that
was used to explain coincidences became a justification of the Council’s
decisions.
There isn’t
much scientific experimentation with the Force within the Jedi Order because they
prohibited, because it serves their political goals better.
“As Jedi learn more about the Force, it is
not unusual for them to form their own theories about how and why it works. They
question how, if the Force creates and sustains life, it can have a dark side.
Some arrive at the conclusion that the Force is not divided into dark and
light, that its energy is inherently positive, and that there is no “dark side”
waiting to corrupt them. Time and again, this conclusion has been proved
erroneous, and the Jedi who felt
compelled to test the limits of the Force rarely perceived the dangers of their
explorations. As they approached the brink of the dark side, some were
rescued by other Jedi or came back willingly when they saw the error of their
ways. Those who refused to renounce
their mistaken the beliefs were either exiled to the farthest reaches of the
galaxy, or destroyed.[Ryder’s Windham’s Jedi vs. Sith: The
Essential Guide to the Force]
The “balance” was another example of force-sensitives politicizing the
Force. The Sith wanted a chosen one to kill all the Jedi and the Jedi wanted a
chosen one to kill all the sith. But, truth is, the Force did balance itself
out when it created Anakin. the Sith vs Jedi conflict was political. Anakin
existence was enough, he didn’t HAVE to become a sith or a Jedi. all they had
to do was let nature take its course, you know, follow the “will of the Force”.
[Plagueis] had to see this Anakin Skywalker
for himself; had to sense him for himself. He had to know if the Force had
struck back again, nine years earlier, by
conceiving a human being to restore balance to the galaxy. […] There was
still a chance that the Council would decide that Anakin was too old to be
trained as a Jedi. That way, assuming he was returned to Tatooine … But if
not … If Qui-Gon managed to sway the Council Masters, and they
reneged on their own dictates …
Plagueis ran a hand over his forehead. Are we undone? he thought. Have you
undone us? [James Luceno. Darth Plagueis]
Plagueis knew enough to understand Anakin didn’t have to become a sith
or a Jedi to be a threat and do his job, something the Jedi never figured out
because they were too busy forcing Anakin to be exactly like them.
Palpatine.
It’s all Palpatine (and Anakin). Everyone played their part and influenced
Anakin’s decisions, however, even with all their influences Anakin wouldn’t
have fallen if it weren’t for Palpatine. ROTS shows us that. Everyone
influenced Anakin but he stills makes the right choice and tells Mace about
Palpatine. It’s Palpatine who pushes him.
When thinking
about who is responsible for what, picture this:
Jedi Order
was responsible for Anakin’s upbringing. They are responsible for failing to
raise a health person and for allowing a abuser to groom on of their students. They
are responsible for the adult Anakin became.
Palpatine
is responsible for manipulating Anakin into wanting join the Dark Side and
grooming him to be his perfect apprentice. He is responsible for Anakin’s
interest in the dark side.
Anakin is responsible
for his choices.
If you
remove the Jedi from the equation but not Palpatine, Anakin is still at risk of
being turned. But if you remove only Palpatine, Anakin is fine. If Anakin had
been raised by the Jedi without Palpatine presence, he wouldn’t have become
this amazing healthy and stable person but he wouldn’t have been tempted into becoming
Darth Vader. Remember, even after he had his first visions of Padmé’s dying Anakin
had no interest in joining the Sith until Palpatine tempted him with the Darth
Plagueis story.
But if you
remove only Obi-wan, Yoda, Mace or Padmé, Palpatine is still there to manipulate and
tempt Anakin.
When we
talk about the Jedi’s (or any other character) responsibility to Anakin, we are
talking about what they should’ve done to help Anakin not their responsibility for
Anakin’s choices. Take Obi-wan as an example, he’s responsible for Anakin
training and the man he became but he’s not responsible for Anakin’s choice to
join Palpatine.
Some might
be guilty of making Anakin more susceptible to Palpatine’s influence but no
one, other than Palpatine, pushed Anakin to the dark side.
listen remember that one clone wars ep, and this scene happened? at first i thought he was talking about himself and this just came to mind okay dON’T EVEN LOOK IN MY DIRECTION
*takes the
bill and runs away* 😛 I’m not
sure of what you need exactly because Anakin IS Vader. Vader is just a twisted
version of Anakin so everything you find in one you will also find in the
other.
Loyalty. Once he commits to a cause/group he sticks to it no matter how much he
disagrees with it or it hurts him. Anakin is miserable being a Jedi but he stays.
Vader is miserable being a Sith but he stays. He stays because leaving would be
betrayal.
Deference.
One thing Anakin never leanered was how to shed his submissive behavior. People
in positions of power easly abuse Anakin because he was taight from birth (and
Jedi training) to ALWAYS respect authority and submit to their will.
Obi-wan: Use the Force. Think. Anakin: Sorry, Master. Obi-wan: He went in there to hide, not to run. Anakin: Yes, Master. Obi-wan: Next time, try not to lose it. Anakin: Yes, Master. Obi-wan: This weapon is your life.
Anakin: I try, Master. [AOTC]
“I must
obey my master.” – Vader [ROTJ]
Recklessness.
Both put their goals above their own well-being.
Self-sacrifice. Both are willing to die for what they love.
Murder.
Both are murderers.
Torture.
Both tortured people.
Mental
illness. Both show symptoms of mental illness.
Unhappiness. Neither were known for being particularly happy people.
Relationship
with their soldiers. Both were deeply respected by the men under his command.
Distrust of
the privileged. Both showed some measure of disdain for people born in privilege
(senators, high-ranking military officers, monarchs, etc).
Sense of humor. Both have a similar sense of humor.
I’m sure there’s more stuff I’m forgetting.
When they
are both in character, Anakin and Vader are the same person and their
personalities align perfectly because it’s the same personality. His
motivations, methods and goals change but not the personality behind that.
Anakin is still there underneath Vader.
No, he
wouldn’t tell. Anakin, above all else, was loyal. He’d consider such action a terrible
betrayal.
“For Anakin,” Obi-Wan said at length, “there is nothing more important than
friendship. He is the most loyal man I have ever met—loyal beyond reason, in
fact. Despite all I have tried to teach him about the sacrifices that are
the heart of being a Jedi, he—he will never, I think, truly understand.” [Matthew
Stover. Revenge of the Sith]
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