Etiqueta: Raf talks

arctrooper-ross:

I feel like someone (maybe a person of color) needs to re-write the clones and their narrative. This idea that if it weren’t for the chips, they were in love with the Jedi and had no qualms with them is inaccurate, and insulting to people who are actually descendants of slaves and or colonized people. Like the writers don’t even realize how wrong it is to make the clones so attached to people that oppress them, while implying that the only reason the clones would ever think twice about the Jedi is because of the chips. Like I’m so upset with how Wolffe’s narrative was treated? let this man hate the jedi for what  they’ve done to him and his brothers. let his distrust of them be valid! 

The writers did not know how to write the clones, and I mean none of the writers. These people clearly cannot put themselves in the shoes of an oppressed individual. They always have to insert some hidden feelings of love and respect for the Jedi (or not hidden at all) and thus the fandom interprets it as impossible that the clones could ever possibly have ill feelings for the jedi because of the chips!  Like i pray for a writer who actually knows how to write the clones respectfully because i have just about had it. 

Yes! And like OP said, Wolffe’s narrative is completely valid!. Here in Peru, after almost 200 years since we got our independence, we’re still seeing the effects that colonization and enslavement had in our people.

These things don’t go away easily, and expecting the clones, specially the ones who actually took their chips out, still having a high respect for the Jedi is just unrealistic.

Let me explain some of this (sorry in advance because I’m not an expert in history), in colonial times, there were laws that were supposed to protect native people. Of course that never happened because native people were enslaved and if they didn’t want to die, they just had stay quiet and obey. And apart from these “laws” not being followed, they treated native people as they were kids, they were considered “underage, not able to think for themselves, we (the conquerors) have the duty to teach them what to do and who to follow because obviously they can’t think for themselves” and this is just disgusting. Native people were totally capable of taking care on their own, despite what the conquerors said. If it wasn’t for their constant fight, we would have never gained independence, it was thanks to THEM, these native people, that we are free now.

But, like I said, these things don’t go away easily. The effects that we’re still seeing are mostly racism, exploitation of peasants (most of them directly descendants from native people), “forgetting” about the native communities that still exist and not giving them the opportunity to have a better life, government making laws that benefit foreigners than our own people.

But I also have to mention that most of these people were so brainwashed that they believed that the conquerors did a great job here and that they were the heroes. This opinion is divided half in half between the people, but most will agree that the way they treated us was absolutely disgusting.

Now let’s take this to the clones case, they were also enslaved, made to believe that the Jedi were their saviors, were killed doing something THEY never chose to do. And they’re telling me that they are expected to admire the Jedi? That they still want to keep fighting for them? The Jedi, who were supposed to protect every living being, and that slavery was something they would not tolerate (remember the “laws” I mentioned earlier), but still only used the clones as objects? Does anybody really thinks that the clones would still admire the Jedi? Sure, they will have SOME respect for the ones who treated them somewhat better than others, but that’s NOT the same thing as admiring them and consider them perfect heroes.

Imo, most clones would be disgusted by thinking about the time they served the Jedi. The way they were treated by the Jedi, was disgusting. Even the ones who were told that they were real people who deserved better, still were thrown into battles expecting them to sacrifice themselves so the Jedi could live.

So, no, the writers didn’t took any of this into consideration while writing the clones. They wanted us to make us believe that the Jedi were always perfect, and to do that, they had to erase all the suffering the clones had to go through and erase all the job they did BY THEMSELVES. They didn’t need the Jedi to be great soldiers, they didn’t need the Jedi to win battles, they didn’t need the Jedi to discover the chip plot! They didn’t need the Jedi to take care of them because they are completely capable of taking care of themselves. And to think they did need the Jedi, is to have the mentality of a conqueror, an enslaver.

motherofallclones:

arctrooperfivesbutt:

@Everybody saying that Fox deserved to die:

FIGHT ME!

(And that includes Vader for killing him!)

Hella iffy about Fox. I almost forgive him for killing Fives because 1. Palpatine ordered him to shoot to kill and 2. After he killed Fives he took off his helmet and looked remorseful

And although the way he treated Ahsoka was problematic, I felt bad for him when Vader killed him. He was literally terrified

First of all forgive me if this looks messy because I’m writing this through my phone and I’ve only slept three hours and can’t think correctly.

I think Fox’ path of action was completely justified. He did what he thought was right and if we see things from his POV, as the Commander of the Coruscant Guard, then all the things he did were the best solution he could have thought of.

1.-“In spite of his efforts, Fox was forced to allow the bounty hunters to leave with Ziro in order to save Bane’s hostages”

This wasn’t very much his fault, there was nothing he could have done, but the fact that he let Ziro and the Bounty Hunters escape, was probably considered a failure in his career.

2.- “In 21 BBY, a group of modified demolition droids were sent to disrupt the Confederate–Republic peace initiative on Coruscant. At the time Fox was tasked with protecting the central power distribution grid on Level 5000. The droids deceived him with a security clearance code, which Fox deemed authentic. As a result, the droids completed their mission by destroying power grid, causing a city-wide blackout on Coruscant. Infuriated by the Confederacy’s terrorist attack on the galactic capital, the Senate rejected the peace initiative.”

Fox was fooled by these droids and it let to terrible consequences. Many people died, the Peace Initiative was turned down; it was a direct attack to Coruscant (aka The heart of the Republic) and this could have been avoided if Fox had pay more attention to those “stupid droids”. So now there are two hits to his military record.

3.- “Following the terrorist attack on the Jedi Temple of Coruscant, Letta Turmond was imprisoned in the Republic Center for Military Operations due to her participation in the attack (…). Although the clone initially praised Tano for bringing Turmond to justice, he was compelled to arrest her after Turmond was strangled to death by way of the Force. Unknown to Fox,Turmond was murdered by the fallen Jedi Barriss Offee (..). Offee further tainted her incarcerated comrade’s reputation by killing three clone officers with her lightsaber, leading Fox to believe that Tano was the culprit”. “Later, he unhesitatingly ordered his guards to kill Tano, whom he believed responsible for the deaths of several clones during her escape, but grudgingly complied with Anakin Skywalker’s orders to capture the Padawan alive”.

Now let’s put ourselves on Fox’ place and see everything that has been happening there. He HAD TO arrest Ahsoka for being a suspect in Letta’s death, it was his responsibility. After that Anakin comes angrily at him, almost threatening, demanding to free Ahsoka and Fox tell him that he can’t do anything because those are Tarkin’s orders. Then Ahsoka escapes, he comes back to that command center and sees out so is his responsibility to take he back. He chases her and finds the bodies of those clones, cut by a lightsaber. We know it wasn’t Ahsoka because we were following her in that scene, but Fox doesn’t see it, the only thing he sees are the bodies of those clones with recently made lightsaber marks, the most logical thing (from his pov) is that it was Ahsoka who killed those clones. He gave the order to “shoot to kill” but he changed as Anakin had requested (And let’s remember that Fox didn’t had to obey Anakin’s orders, but he still did). And the end Ahsoka ended up escaping, and there we have another hit against Fox, for letting a prisoner escape under his supervision.

4.- “Fives fled from the Grand Republic Medical Facility where he had attempted to assassinate Chancellor Palpatine after learning of his involvement in a conspiracy to destroy the Jedi Order (…). Fox and a contingent of clone shock troopers confronted Fives, demanding that he stand down. In his panic and desperation, the ARC trooper raised a blaster pistol at the approaching guards, but Fox opened fire, killing Fives with a shot through his heart” (…) “After Fives’ failed attempt to kill Chancellor Palpatine, Fox executed the rogue ARC trooper, but not before giving him a chance to surrender.”

Fox’ highest responsibility was to protect the Chancellor. He doesn’t know the things we know and the things Fives knows. The only thing he knows is that Fives has attempt to kill Palpatine and now he’s escaped. When Fox finds Fives he spends a good couple of seconds behind those boxes, he could have shot Fives from there, but he didn’t. When he attacked, he asked Fives to surrender and when he saw that Fives was about to grab the weapon, his response was to tell him “don’t do it”, and he didn’t shoot until Fives had the weapon in his hand and was pointing it at him and his men. He shoot Fives because it was Fives’ life (who everybody believed was crazy and a traitor) against his life and his men’s life. Fox did what he had to do. We don’t see him standing with the other clones in that circle around Fives at the end, and I think it was because he felt too guilty to even come closer.

And gee, I wonder who was the one who put Fives (who was drugged btw) in that panic and desperate state by not believing any word he said and scaring him to the point he didn’t think and grabbed the blasters (yes, it was Anakin)

(source)

Today I went to visit an old school friend and she had a microscope!! I took some photos of the things i saw!

I’m not sure of what they are exactly, but they look cool!

I think she told me the blue dots were leukocytes and the things in middle are cells! I’m not sure if it’s correct, but this was the most exciting thing I’ve done in a while!