maulusque:

arctrooperfivesbutt:

The Jedi way

ok public poll: is anakin being serious here or is he more like “iT Is noT the jEDI wAY” like that one spongebob meme

Funny answer: Both lol

Serious answer: The Jedi Code was the only thing Anakin had left. Palpatine had been tempting for so many long and had finally revealed himself as the Sith Lord. Anakin didn’t followed him immediately because that wouldn’t have been “the Jedi way”. Then at this moment, Anakin realized, what’s the real difference between the Jedi and the Sith? Both were willing to kill an “unarmed person” (which we know it’s false).

Anakin was in desperate need of help. He had asked the Jedi for help when he talked with Yoda and the only thing he got was basically a “let that person die, there’s nothing you can do about it, if you’re afraid of losing them, then you’re taking the path of the dark side, you’re greedy for not wanting to let them go” (paraphrased, but that’s almost the same thing Yoda told him). And then Palpatine comes and tell him “Hey! There’s a way to stop people from dying! The Jedi won’t teach you, but I can”. Anakin realizes Palpatine is the Sith and goes to the Jedi and then this happens.

Anakin chose to follow Palpatine because he didn’t had any hope left in the Jedi.

palpatine strikes me as more a symbolic entity and (i hate the word but…) a plot device rather than an actual character. every other dark sider at least gets some sympathy and some form of tragic backstory, but palps is just there to… ruin everything? according to canon (or some material), was there ever a chance at redemption for him, or some… humanity there?

padawanlost:

Yes and no.
He is the embodiment of everything our heroes have to overcome in their environment
and their nature. And, no, there’s no chance of redemption for him. There can’t
be. He is the force that corrupts.

He has a black irredeemable heart. There’s nothing that can be said about him that’s good. When we
first saw Vader in the original trilogy we thought he was the heart of darkness,
and nobody could be darker. But now we understand what happened to him. And one
of the exciting things about seeing this movie is that you can follow Vader
through Anakin’s journey every step of the way even if you don’t agree with the
choices he’s making. In part his decisions stem from his traumatic childhood,
and his impatient lust for power. And it’s that which my character takes and
then uses again him. When you’re playing
a character of solid blackness,
that in itself is very interesting, in the
sense that you have no other motivation
other than the accumulation of power. It’s not so much about not having a moral
center, it’s just that the only thing that mattered is increasing power.

– Ian McDiarmid

Palpatine
is an amalgamation of the worst humanity has to offer, he’s been compared to
Stalin, Hitler and a bunch of corrupt politicians. In the end, the evil he
caused was so insidious there was no deed good enough for him to redeem himself
and, more importantly, a man that corrupt would not even want redemption. Giving
him a tragic backstory wouldn’t matter because we were never supposed to sympathize
with him. He is not the tragic character of the the story and he does not need
to be humanized.

In the EU,
he’s a rich kid form a powerful family. he’s miserable with them but nothing
happens to justify what he became. He was simply greedy, arrogant and entitled.
The closest SW got to humanizing him was in Star Wars Underworld (a live action
show that was never made) where we would learn that Palpatine became evil because
a heartless woman was mean to him :/

Who do you thing is the most responsible for pushing Anakin to the dark side? Because I feel like Palpatine is not the one.

padawanlost:

Palpatine.
It’s all Palpatine (and Anakin). Everyone played their part and influenced
Anakin’s decisions, however, even with all their influences Anakin wouldn’t
have fallen if it weren’t for Palpatine. ROTS shows us that. Everyone
influenced Anakin but he stills makes the right choice and tells Mace about
Palpatine. It’s Palpatine who pushes him.

When thinking
about who is responsible for what, picture this:

  1. Jedi Order
    was responsible for Anakin’s upbringing. They are responsible for failing to
    raise a health person and for allowing a abuser to groom on of their students. They
    are responsible for the adult Anakin became.
  2. Palpatine
    is responsible for manipulating Anakin into wanting join the Dark Side and
    grooming him to be his perfect apprentice. He is responsible for Anakin’s
    interest in the dark side.
  3. Anakin is responsible
    for his choices.

If you
remove the Jedi from the equation but not Palpatine, Anakin is still at risk of
being turned. But if you remove only Palpatine, Anakin is fine. If Anakin had
been raised by the Jedi without Palpatine presence, he wouldn’t have become
this amazing healthy and stable person but he wouldn’t have been tempted into becoming
Darth Vader. Remember, even after he had his first visions of Padmé’s dying Anakin
had no interest in joining the Sith until Palpatine tempted him with the Darth
Plagueis story.

But if you
remove only Obi-wan, Yoda, Mace or Padmé, Palpatine is still there to manipulate and
tempt Anakin.

When we
talk about the Jedi’s (or any other character) responsibility to Anakin, we are
talking about what they should’ve done to help Anakin not their responsibility for
Anakin’s choices. Take Obi-wan as an example, he’s responsible for Anakin
training and the man he became but he’s not responsible for Anakin’s choice to
join Palpatine.

Some might
be guilty of making Anakin more susceptible to Palpatine’s influence but no
one, other than Palpatine, pushed Anakin to the dark side.  

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gallusrostromegalus:

canuckianhawkguy:

it’s my mom’s birthday today, and coincidentally it’s also Ian McDiarmid’s! I couldn’t resist recording something when I saw these comments on facebook

It’s like a glimpse into a strange but happy AU where Palpatine is the clones extremely weird Uncle.