I always liked the old version of what happened after return of the Jedi in Legends. Because it has Luke learning from the mistakes of the past. In legends Luke’s new Jedi order doesn’t view attachment as inherently bad. And Luke’s Jedi are allowed to have relationships/get married etc.

padawanlost:

Yes, same
here. Luke’s Jedi Order is everything the PT!Order wasn’t. Luke was a healthy
and balanced individual and he created a healthy and balanced organization.

He
understood the power of love, friendship, family, loyalty, etc. So he built an
Order focused on these ideals. It also makes sense thematically; Luke outgrew
his teachers so it makes sense for his Order to be better than theirs. Instead of
making their old mistakes again and again (murder, scheming, politics, etc),
Luke created something new, something better proving his way – the truly
compassionate and honest way – was the better one.

“The evolution of sentience reflects the
constant movement between those two poles. Evil—the dark side—won’t be
eradicated until it has been discarded as an option for acquiring power,
subjugating would-be opponents, or offsetting feelings of anger, envy, or
exclusion. Where victims of injustice
exist, the dark side finds initiates
. That is the cycle our actions are
meant to forestall, and in this battle the Force is both our ally and our
guardian. We serve it best by listening to its will, and serving the good with
our every action—by personifying the Force. But I’m no longer convinced that we’re meant to police the galaxy. For
one thing, we’re too few in number. That was made evident early in the war, and
it’s likely to hold true for whatever conflicts erupt in the coming years. The
Jedi began as a meditative order. Our forebears believed that they could
balance light and dark by remaining always in the Force, and thereby perfecting
themselves. Gradually, however, as the
Supreme Chancellors appealed to the Order time and again for advice in
resolving disputes, the Jedi became adjuncts of the Old Republic, then marshals
and warriors, taking it upon themselves to uphold the peace, and little by
little being drawn away from the Force and into the mundane.  I don’t propose that we place ourselves in
seclusion and pass our days meditating on the Force—though that might be the
path for some of us. But I do advocate attuning ourselves to the longer view,
and reaching out to others who seek to serve the Force.
The genetic makeup of each and every one of
us augments our ability to tap the Force, but everyone, regardless of his or
her genetics, has the potential to use the Force to one degree or another.
Perhaps not to move rocks and take giant strides; but in some sense those
physical powers are little more than surface effects. The real powers are more
subtle, for they involve adhering to the true path, avoiding the temptation to
dominate, sacrificing oneself for those who have less, and living impeccably,
by recognizing that the Force doesn’t flow from us but through us, ever on the
move. Like our damaged galaxy, the new Jedi order will require generations to
define itself.
[James Luceno. The Unifying Force]

Luke
Skywalker is awesome. He created an Order that allowed love (all types of
love), that didn’t control knowledge, that fostered creativity, humility,
compassion, independence and the sense of personal responsibility in all it’s
students. He didn’t took babies from their parents. He recognized the necessity for accountability and that the Force
didn’t belong to the Jedi Order.

Did Obi Wan have a feeling that Anakin had turned to the dark side, before he looked into the archives? Jedi training bonds are expanded universe but, did he think Anakin was dead? The whole period between Order 66 and Mustafar is so intriguing. Love to hear your thoughts.

padawanlost:

Not immediately
(at least not to himself). Obi-wan was too busy killing Grievous, surviving
Order 66 and escaping Utapau to meditate on what was happening, why and whose
fault it was.

Obi-Wan
knew that signal. Every Jedi did. It was the recall code. It was being
broadcast on every channel by every HoloNet repeater. It was supposed to mean
that the war was over. It was supposed to mean that the Council had ordered all
Jedi to return to the Temple immediately. Obi-Wan
suspected it actually meant what had happened on Utapau was far from an
isolated incident.
[Matthew Stover. Revenge of the Sith]

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Why does the Force have a will? It’s not exactly a God, is it? It’s a metaphysical energy field that envelops everything, so it should just exist. Right? So why then would experimenting with its various uses, such as resurrection and immortality be a perversion of the Force? The Force would automatically attempt to balance itself out, no matter what happens. So why such prejudice towards experimentation?

padawanlost:

No. The
Force has no conscience, it just is. It’s part of nature, not some omnipotent and
omniscient entity. The “will of the Force” is something the Jedi (and most
force-sensitives groups) came up to explain their relationship with the Force.
If something happened that had no logical explanation they knew of, it was the
will of the Force, if they needed justify their actions it was the will of the
force, etc.

Experimenting
with the Force, in most cases, is considered wrong because the Jedi said so. Many groups deal
with the Force their own way, the ones the Jedi Order deems tolerable are allow
to keep existing. The ones they consider wrong are destroyed (the Sith). But,
to be fair, the Sith used the Force for some pretty nasty things and the Force,
being part of nature of the galaxy, was more than just something to
experimented on indiscriminately. Too much meddling could lead to the entire
galaxy to dangerous places.

And then
the Jedi declared that to be born with Force powers was not a gift or a curse.
They insisted it was a calling. They
proclaimed the Force should never be used for selfish purposes, that all
Force-sensitive beings were obligated to use their powers for the benefit of
others.
Many Force users joined the Jedi Order, but the Jedi were not
satisfied with their numbers. They
sought out the so-called wizards and demons, and gave them three options. Join
the Jedi, cease using Force powers, or die.
[Darh Maul in Ryder Windham’s
The wrath of Darth Maul]

The Jedi
Order politicized the Force to keep their control over the galaxy. They had a
Force monopoly going on. They mixed politics with religion and things slowly
got mixed up. it got to a point they no longer could separate their political
goals from their religious ones. The will of the Senate/Council became the will
of the Force. Something that
was used to explain coincidences became a justification of the Council’s
decisions.

There isn’t
much scientific experimentation with the Force within the Jedi Order because they
prohibited, because it serves their political goals better.

As Jedi learn more about the Force, it is
not unusual for them to form their own theories about how and why it works.
They
question how, if the Force creates and sustains life, it can have a dark side.
Some arrive at the conclusion that the Force is not divided into dark and
light, that its energy is inherently positive, and that there is no “dark side”
waiting to corrupt them. Time and again, this conclusion has been proved
erroneous, and the Jedi who felt
compelled to test the limits of the Force rarely perceived the dangers of their
explorations.
As they approached the brink of the dark side, some were
rescued by other Jedi or came back willingly when they saw the error of their
ways. Those who refused to renounce
their mistaken the beliefs were either exiled to the farthest reaches of the
galaxy, or destroyed.
[Ryder’s Windham’s Jedi vs. Sith: The
Essential Guide to the Force]

The “balance” was another example of force-sensitives politicizing the
Force. The Sith wanted a chosen one to kill all the Jedi and the Jedi wanted a
chosen one to kill all the sith. But, truth is, the Force did balance itself
out when it created Anakin. the Sith vs Jedi conflict was political. Anakin
existence was enough, he didn’t HAVE to become a sith or a Jedi. all they had
to do was let nature take its course, you know, follow the “will of the Force”.

[Plagueis] had to see this Anakin Skywalker
for himself; had to sense him for himself. He had to know if the Force had
struck back again, nine years earlier, by
conceiving a human being to restore balance to the galaxy.
[…] There was
still a chance that the Council would decide that Anakin was too old to be
trained as a Jedi. That way, assuming he was returned to Tatooine … But if
not … If Qui-Gon managed to sway the Council Masters, and they
reneged on their own dictates …
Plagueis ran a hand over his forehead. Are we undone? he thought. Have you
undone us?
[James Luceno. Darth Plagueis]

Plagueis knew enough to understand Anakin didn’t have to become a sith
or a Jedi to be a threat and do his job, something the Jedi never figured out
because they were too busy forcing Anakin to be exactly like them.